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The UPA government has said all schools to sing the national song Vande Mataram on Sepetember 7. This decision of the government sparked a controversy and turned it into religious matter now.
Muslim organisations are opposing the mandate singing of Vande Mataram in schools. The BJP is supporting the singing of the national song in the schools in its ruling states.
Here is the Sanskrit and English version of the national song ‘Vande Mataram’
“Vande maataraM
sujalaaM suphalaaM malayaja shiitalaaM
SasyashyaamalaaM maataram ||
Shubhrajyotsnaa pulakitayaaminiiM
pullakusumita drumadala shobhiniiM
suhaasiniiM sumadhura bhaashhiNiiM
sukhadaaM varadaaM maataraM ||
Koti koti kantha kalakalaninaada karaale
koti koti bhujai.rdhR^itakharakaravaale
abalaa keno maa eto bale
bahubaladhaariNiiM namaami taariNiiM
ripudalavaariNiiM maataraM ||
Tumi vidyaa tumi dharma
tumi hR^idi tumi marma
tvaM hi praaNaaH shariire
Baahute tumi maa shakti
hR^idaye tumi maa bhakti
tomaara i pratimaa gaDi
mandire mandire ||
TvaM hi durgaa dashapraharaNadhaariNii
kamalaa kamaladala vihaariNii
vaaNii vidyaadaayinii namaami tvaaM
Namaami kamalaaM amalaaM atulaaM
SujalaaM suphalaaM maataraM ||
ShyaamalaaM saralaaM susmitaaM bhuushhitaaM
DharaNiiM bharaNiiM maataraM |”
Shree Aurobindo has translated it in English
Mother, I bow to thee!
Rich with thy hurrying streams,
bright with orchard gleams,
Cool with thy winds of delight,
Dark fields waving Mother of might,
Mother free.
Glory of moonlight dreams,
Over thy branches and lordly streams,
Clad in thy blossoming trees,
Mother, giver of ease
Laughing low and sweet!
Mother I kiss thy feet,
Speaker sweet and low!
Mother, to thee I bow.
Who hath said thou art weak in thy lands
When the sword flesh out in the seventy million hands
And seventy million voices roar
Thy dreadful name from shore to shore?
With many strengths who art mighty and stored,
To thee I call Mother and Lord!
Though who savest, arise and save!
To her I cry who ever her foeman drove
Back from plain and Sea
And shook herself free.
Thou art wisdom, thou art law,
Thou art heart, our soul, our breath
Though art love divine, the awe
In our hearts that conquers death.
Thine the strength that nervs the arm,
Thine the beauty, thine the charm.
Every image made divine
In our temples is but thine.
Thou art Durga, Lady and Queen,
With her hands that strike and her
swords of sheen,
Thou art Lakshmi lotus-throned,
And the Muse a hundred-toned,
Pure and perfect without peer,
Mother lend thine ear,
Rich with thy hurrying streams,
Bright with thy orchard gleems,
Dark of hue O candid-fair
In thy soul, with jewelled hair
And thy glorious smile divine,
Lovilest of all earthly lands,
Showering wealth from well-stored hands!
Mother, mother mine!
Mother sweet, I bow to thee,
Mother great and free!
India daily is asking you to speak, is there anything wrong in it? If yes, then explain it and share your views with others, If no, then why so much debate is happening on the national song. Should the national song be sung in schools or not? What is wrong if the song being recited in schools or madarassas? Isn’t this a needless controversy over our national song?
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There is no use creating such an uproar over the national song of the nation. It is upon the school authorities whether they want their students to sing this song or not.
How come the political groups can decide who is to do what? India is a nation that proudly stand for its democracy and it will be an insult on the very term if anyone, be it the UPA governmnet or the BJP members to create monopoly by making our ’National Song’ a much-debated issue.
Leave it on the children of the nation what they want to do...
(Local Perspectives)
One of the most vocal term of Indian constitution is ‘Secularism’, the literal meaning of the term as Webster’s puts it is ‘complete break with religion of a state’ which is of course not feasible in Indian context. So there we have indianised version of interpretation as P.V. Narsimha Rao spoke loudly from the Red Fort that we treat the term as equal treatment to every religion, ‘sarva dharmasambhava’. Now treating religions equally a state cannot handle religion with iron hands.
Now its lay flat and open that Islam does not believe in Idol worship, therefore a state decision to coerce people sing ‘Vande Matram’ is simply ridiculous and quite against the fundamental right to speech and expression. Moreover, making a particular sect or religion bowing to the state’s decision, which is out and out arbitrary, despite of knowing the fact that it refutes any kind of idol worship right since its inception is a national crime.
Now its lay flat and open that Islam does not believe in Idol worship, therefore a state decision to coerce people sing ‘Vande Matram’ is simply ridiculous and quite against the fundamental right to speech and expression. Moreover, making a particular sect or religion bowing to the state’s decision, which is out and out arbitrary, despite of knowing the fact that it refutes any kind of idol worship right since its inception is a national crime.
(Local Perspectives)
The song that India roared and sung during India’s anti-colonial regime and now which is 100 years old and our legacy.
Singing it today in all Indian schools be it government , private ,gurukuls, missionaries or madrassas by any means cant’t be discarded.
However, still our Muslim leaders are demurring to the song being sung in all schools on its 100th anniversary, giving it a religious twist and sying that its too close to Hindu deity worship.
Highly irrational ?Where from this concept of deity worship creeped in, this song is chock-a-block of nationalism, infact it’s a song for India, to India by Indians.
There is no deity, no religion in it.
It was written for mother land, was sung for freedom of motherland and today even we want that on its anniversary it should be sung by us together deleting all caste n creeds from our heads for our motherland.
I don’t think I m full of devotional patriot even I criticize my own country many times but still I am of strong view that this song once adopted, has a life of its own, has embodied Indian cultural history, served as a rallying point and code of identification.
So it should be sung on September 7 as there is no religious conviction or Hinduism in it.
Singing it today in all Indian schools be it government , private ,gurukuls, missionaries or madrassas by any means cant’t be discarded.
However, still our Muslim leaders are demurring to the song being sung in all schools on its 100th anniversary, giving it a religious twist and sying that its too close to Hindu deity worship.
Highly irrational ?Where from this concept of deity worship creeped in, this song is chock-a-block of nationalism, infact it’s a song for India, to India by Indians.
There is no deity, no religion in it.
It was written for mother land, was sung for freedom of motherland and today even we want that on its anniversary it should be sung by us together deleting all caste n creeds from our heads for our motherland.
I don’t think I m full of devotional patriot even I criticize my own country many times but still I am of strong view that this song once adopted, has a life of its own, has embodied Indian cultural history, served as a rallying point and code of identification.
So it should be sung on September 7 as there is no religious conviction or Hinduism in it.
(Local Perspectives)
The Nation is always above the religion, each and every time. The Muslims in India are generally moderate and identify themselves as Indians and are equally proud of the country than any other as a community or individuals.
I think the moderate and patriotic Muslims now must come out and denounce zealots who are against Vande Mataram.
It is sheer stupidity to rake up a controversy from something like this. Of course, fanatics who breed terrorists don’t have a mind of their own and blinded by blood thirsty propagandists.
Vande Mataram is a matter of national pride just as any other national symbol. We must stand together and defeat mis-representation of religions by anti-national criminals within the society who don’t want to see us united.
I think the moderate and patriotic Muslims now must come out and denounce zealots who are against Vande Mataram.
It is sheer stupidity to rake up a controversy from something like this. Of course, fanatics who breed terrorists don’t have a mind of their own and blinded by blood thirsty propagandists.
Vande Mataram is a matter of national pride just as any other national symbol. We must stand together and defeat mis-representation of religions by anti-national criminals within the society who don’t want to see us united.
(Local Perspectives)
A muslim can’t sing that if he sing than he will do the SHIRK the most unfogivable sin that ALLAH doesn’t like. A muslim will never bow down in front of any Human being even if she is her own mother who gave birth to him.
Kindly read the translation it is written that
Mother, I bow to thee!
and also every sentence is like we are praising to thing which never exist. A muslim will always protect his land he should be loyal to the place where he born. It is written in the quran. Some muslim who don’t have the knowledge (Proper) are not a true muslim. Every muslim should know this
La ila ha il’l la
That means the
God is one and only nobody other
he will not be in any form
even granth and geetas says that
na asthe ne upasde
No image of theee
Sorry for my bad english but understand
Now abt my self
now here ganpati visharjan is going on in pune in every chowk msg board it is written by BJP
”Agar yaha rehna hai to vande mataram kehna hoga”
That is Totally ”UNACCEPTABLE”
We love india but we can’t think india as a Devi.
Sorry if i hurt any ones feeling but the truth stand out
Politicians are painting this issue.......
Kindly read the translation it is written that
Mother, I bow to thee!
and also every sentence is like we are praising to thing which never exist. A muslim will always protect his land he should be loyal to the place where he born. It is written in the quran. Some muslim who don’t have the knowledge (Proper) are not a true muslim. Every muslim should know this
La ila ha il’l la
That means the
God is one and only nobody other
he will not be in any form
even granth and geetas says that
na asthe ne upasde
No image of theee
Sorry for my bad english but understand
Now abt my self
now here ganpati visharjan is going on in pune in every chowk msg board it is written by BJP
”Agar yaha rehna hai to vande mataram kehna hoga”
That is Totally ”UNACCEPTABLE”
We love india but we can’t think india as a Devi.
Sorry if i hurt any ones feeling but the truth stand out
Politicians are painting this issue.......
(Global Perspectives)
i think the basic problem my hindu friends have with understanding the legitimate objection of the muslims as regards to singing this particular so called ”patriotic song” is due to their ignorance of the Monotheistic belief of isalm. you see a muslim is one who believes in the Quran to be the Word of The One True God and the Quran clearly tells you God is One and there is none like Him and He is the Creator of the heavens and the earth. no be it if you are in india pakistan or usa or any other part of the world. if you are a muslim you simply cannot sing any song which calls oneself to ”bow to that land” simply becasue we are to bow only to the Creator of the whole earth and the heavens and not to any specifuc piece of land. and besides this the song vande matarm clearly mentions hindu goddesses. so it might be alright for a hindu to sing it. but definately not for anyone who believes in islam. now if the hindus of this nation were ignorant about these facts and wanted muslims to sing this song, it is forgivable but if they know what this song says and they know what the muslims believe and they still want to force this song on muslims, then thats simply devilish and hindu fascism. i hope my secular hindu friends can understand and respect the muslim view point
(Local Perspectives)
It is a song which takes into account of only Hinduism. But the fact is that India is a multi-religional country. And when the words like
”Thou art Durga, Lady and Queen, ”
”Thou art Lakshmi lotus-throned, ”
can come, then why not ALLAH in this song.
Simple logic friends.
Another is Bow to Land is not acceptable in islam because Bow is only to Allah and not to any body/thing else.
Loving to country is not only by this, but this might create unwillingness towards country, due to its impact like forcing to read.... and finallt communial tensions.
”Thou art Durga, Lady and Queen, ”
”Thou art Lakshmi lotus-throned, ”
can come, then why not ALLAH in this song.
Simple logic friends.
Another is Bow to Land is not acceptable in islam because Bow is only to Allah and not to any body/thing else.
Loving to country is not only by this, but this might create unwillingness towards country, due to its impact like forcing to read.... and finallt communial tensions.
(Global Perspectives)
Bilal: Without trying to sound like an atheist I would like to say that God is a fantasy whereas country is reality. You don’t live and die for God, but for your country. God sustains you in the cradle of your country. Without your mother, you wouldn’t be there, hence there would be no Allah for you if your mother wasn’t there. I hope you get the logic.
Hussain: The Quran is written by mortals like you and me. The Quran teaches you how to live a righteous life and do good for the welfare of your fellow humans and life in general instilling the fear of Allah’s wrath, which I think is very essential. The Quran tells you not to bow before any human, which means don’t allow yourself to be oppressed or suppressed. It doesn’t forbid you to be a patriotic citizen or be proud of your nationality or pay obeisance to your motherland.
Ziya: By the same logic, why should you show any respect to Muhammad himself? He wasn’t Allah himself, so why the countries that still have medieval and barbaric laws in place behead people for blasphemy if anyone says anything against Muhammad?
Lastly, I would like to say that for many Muslims today, things have come to such a pass that the physical book Quran has taken place of the idols of deities in Hinduism. It is another form of idol worship only. If not the book itself, then the scripts in fancy calligraphy. What I mean to say is that it is manifestation of idol worship only.
Hussain: The Quran is written by mortals like you and me. The Quran teaches you how to live a righteous life and do good for the welfare of your fellow humans and life in general instilling the fear of Allah’s wrath, which I think is very essential. The Quran tells you not to bow before any human, which means don’t allow yourself to be oppressed or suppressed. It doesn’t forbid you to be a patriotic citizen or be proud of your nationality or pay obeisance to your motherland.
Ziya: By the same logic, why should you show any respect to Muhammad himself? He wasn’t Allah himself, so why the countries that still have medieval and barbaric laws in place behead people for blasphemy if anyone says anything against Muhammad?
Lastly, I would like to say that for many Muslims today, things have come to such a pass that the physical book Quran has taken place of the idols of deities in Hinduism. It is another form of idol worship only. If not the book itself, then the scripts in fancy calligraphy. What I mean to say is that it is manifestation of idol worship only.
(Local Perspectives)
I think Jonty has described well about the need of Religion and Nationality or Nation. Both have its own kind of importance. To respect our Country and its emblems is completely different from religion. I have just read an article on it in a leading newspaper with the headline ’Vande Mataram divides India’, does it sound good? We Indian should learn to respect our Country and Country’s emblems.
(Global Perspectives)
jhonty, you have every right as a human being to reject God’s Word. after all Qur’an clearly says ”there is no compulsion in religion” and ”to you your religion and to me mine”. my request to people who dont believe is why ask muslims to pronounce disbelief in the disguise of patriotism. thats preety low. i mean if you want a national song to be song by every one. then discard the hindu goddess’ names and write a song which is acceptable by all communities. not a hindu nationalistic song with hindu goddess’ name being pronounced. and to blame muslims of unpatriotic behaviour for not singing a song about hindu goddesses is quite literally hypocrisy.
(Local Perspectives)
Johnty Wrote :
////Bilal: Without trying to sound like an atheist I would like to say that God is a fantasy whereas country is reality. You don’t live and die for God, but for your country. God sustains you in the cradle of your country. Without your mother, you wouldn’t be there, hence there would be no Allah for you if your mother wasn’t there. I hope you get the logic.//////
Johnty first of all i think u have not done a research on the formation of earth or u even don’t know what the word ”GOD” means
GENERATOR
OPERATOR
DESTROYER
And for your kind information a Man dies for his religion u can take a example of this by the TERRIOST which is the worst example which i have to give for uuuu.
So,
1) ”God is a fantasy” = God is not a Fantasy god is the one who created ADAM than we are born by them. we are brother and sister in relation. if not than clarify me that ”one amoeba is not tranformed to Human being there are several amoeba is by which human is created” than i will understand that all human are not brothers and sisters.. For creating this there is one divine power which is god. I don’t say that Hindu, Christian, Muslim have different gods but they are one we call this power by different names. Proof me one simple example of life leaving earth. (Take help with NASA)
2) ”whereas country is reality” Yeah country is reality i know that it is a place where we live for protecting it we will have to do scarfices or killing. You should know this well that this is just the place.
”Now what i am writing may hurt other but this is only for johnty for him to let his brain work and do a exercise”
Okay now if you think INDIA AS A DEVI than tell me why u do ur daily nature call on it, why u spit on it, why u do bad things infront of ur mother, why u do what u should not do with the land, why u digg big machine inside ur mothers chest or womb (if u think like that). Why don’t u make a Statue of Mother India (devi) and start a new day (which will be added in the most holidays) when this statue will be praised and prayers will be held infront of them.
3) ”Without your mother, you wouldn’t be there, hence there would be no Allah for you if your mother wasn’t there. I hope you get the logic.”
Now here the problem arises. I think by ur name u r a christian atleast a christian must not say that and if u are a hindu than u should not use wrong names to represent urself that means ur are affaraid of something on the net.
Christian know that Mother Marry gave birth to Jesus without human interaction. Now tell me If u say the humans are only who can give birth than how come jesus born (i believe in jesus that he is the messenger of god)? Now let say ur mother and father have not have the ability to give u birth what will they do they will go to temples and many other scared places and if god listein than he will give them a pride to become father and mother isn’t it ? If u don’t believe this try to do a research which i have done at my age of 14 i don’t think u have done ur home work before speaking like this did u ?
At the point if mother gave me birth than ? Than there is no god but ur mother is the god ? Ask ur mother did she gave birth to every living being on the earth ? I asked that question don’t be shy to ask or clear ur doubt. My mother say me we are not the one whom u should praise u should praise ur lord who is with u who protects u who is responsible for what ever happens in ur life (As per Sin and good deeds)
Jonty wrote :
/////Hussain: The Quran is written by mortals like you and me. The Quran teaches you how to live a righteous life and do good for the welfare of your fellow humans and life in general instilling the fear of Allah’s wrath, which I think is very essential. The Quran tells you not to bow before any human, which means don’t allow yourself to be oppressed or suppressed. It doesn’t forbid you to be a patriotic citizen or be proud of your nationality or pay obeisance to your motherland./////
Mother Land okay i believe is a Mother but what u will call american place when suppose u are in america u are a american, or let say u are from different nationality like saudi than what will u say the land where u live. You will sure not call him Mother u will call me Ur land Ur PLACE or as per muslim and hindu OUR place Our nation is Our nation.
If u want to comment than comment in a logical manner.
As u said u get the birth from mother okay than where is the father ?
If suppose india is the Mother than what u will call the other countries ? This issue is still discussed in some other countries.
We are developing our selfs we are the educated persons of our nation who ever will look with a bad eye to our nation we will remove his eye (let it be of any religion)this is our moto.
Now u also said that quran is written by hand
If u don’t know the history don;t comment stop commenting like this. Okay ?
The quaran is given by the angel for Mohammed we respect them he is not a god but just a Messenger even our main verse that is 1st qualma says Mohammed as a Messenger. He is like a hero or like Gautam buddha who shared the information abt religion with us or he showed us the right path.
I think u never read geeta i my self a muslim read geeta with translation u should act like a educated person u should know abt the people who are living with u who are ur neigbour. Even geeta says the many same things as Geeta if u think Mohammed is a flase entity than u indirectly say that geeta verses are wrong why ? than the answer is geeta or a hindu book (Authentic) state abt the tale of Mohammed as the king of arab who will fight wil illegal things.
paying obeisance to your land is other thing and thinking is as a Human being or A image is different. A dog also protect his land. So that means to show is Protectiveness he should sings things abt it place to show the respect ?
”The Quran tells you not to bow before any human which means don’t allow yourself to be oppressed or suppressed.” Did u read the quran if u did than u won’t done this mistake. I man bow down infront of other to show that the man who is standing is great than he is and he is lower than him but the quran say that the God is greatest than every thing human earth anthing. So we only bow down infront of the Main power.
”It doesn’t forbid you to be a patriotic citizen or be proud of your nationality or pay obeisance to your motherland.”
I totally think i should not explain this because it should be copy and paste of what i wrote before...
Johnty Wrote :
/////By the same logic, why should you show any respect to Muhammad himself? He wasn’t Allah himself, so why the countries that still have medieval and barbaric laws in place behead people for blasphemy if anyone says anything against Muhammad?///
Logic don’t talk abt logic u really didn’t get what we 3 said or did u ??
when it is said that
2+2 = 4 in the book of math than why u are taking 2+2=5 which is written by any other human being ? is that write if u think take it .. i don;t have any objection..
I too have many Hindu Friends they are sitting beside me when i am writing this so don’t thing that this is just written by a muslim guy.
As i wrote before mohammed is our hero. Who showed us the write path. So if u think that mohammed is nothing to us than remove this thought. the discuss is abt the petriotism who will define it well the people who sacrificed their life will define it well. Mohammed is like them only. Than if bhagat singh, Ram, Krishna extra issue take place (even bhagat singh is not a god) than why people come on road explain this and u will get the answer ur self.
///why the countries that still have medieval and barbaric laws///
Wahh... Now the issue goes personal why did u said Medieval and barbaric ?
Did u think islamic laws are orthodox type than just give a single example i will really would like to clear ur misconception abt that.
Barbaric hehee lol... I think u might be thinking abt the rules and regulation which are the base of islam (and for which i am writing this) in many islamic countries there is a cruel laws agaisnt crime. Let take a example in some countries the center of the man is cutten off if he rape a girl ? Huh ? this is bad ? i know this type of question arises in ur head but think that girl as ur sister and think that place as india the criminal will only go for 7 year and after that he will be freed what type of brother u are that u will leave that guy which has ruined ur sister life and than is ready for another take .. Think abt the situation and answer me...
Jonty wrote :
/////I would like to say that for many Muslims today, things have come to such a pass that the physical book Quran has taken place of the idols of deities in Hinduism. It is another form of idol worship only. If not the book itself, then the scripts in fancy calligraphy. What I mean to say is that it is manifestation of idol worship only.
////
Lol really i can’t control my laugh coz u have written really a stupidest thing i ever read.....
Let say in india we are having many illetrate people. let say the latest news showed us that illetracy rate in india is 48% (assume that this is an example) will u really call india as a UNEDUCATED nation because of this 48% who don’t have knowledge bcoz of what ever reason. Ever seen a farmer who really is busy in his daily work leaving religion do u blame him for his illeteracy no why bcoz he is doing the most important duty that is to feed her family.
Bcoz of this example u will got to know that bcoz of some or few muslim u can’t just blame the whole religion (community)...
”It is another form of idol worship only” We doesn’t workship quran we worship none but ALLAH THE ONE AND ONLY not need to clarify this by copy paste...
We are totally against with idol workship. Just ask and knowledgeable priest abt who said to create a IDOL of god and listein what he says !
” If not the book itself, then the scripts in fancy calligraphy” Wah really unethical ! the book contains the most great word that a human being can’t even the greatest scholars theory can’t match the verses...
The verses are still having the power of truth even in this developing or modern world. Do a scientific research on Quran and than come to tell me why Quran meets is said to be the word of god and why quran is used for research by many scientist.. The great example is the doctor (i really forgotted the name just do a google search) who learned abt the babies in the womb by quran and than he implemented that thing in science and still his book have the page where he says that ”I got the knowledge of this from the Quran” The doctor was a christian....
”What I mean to say is that it is manifestation of idol worship only. ” I think i clarified this!!!!
This is not to disturb any ones emotion i am terribly sorry if i hurt anyones feeling but please think logically ”THE VANDE MATARAM ISSUE” is just painted by Politician (I am not in favour of any i said ANY politician)
Also people in india say that we listein to the Maullana who is responsible for this outbreak lol a pure muslim will only refer to Mohammed message & The Quran.
Don’t write anything which u really 100% sure of untill u do the research and have the proof just paste here or write here.
Last words : I love my country from bottom of my heart. I love my country man. i Respect My country......
Jai Hind
////Bilal: Without trying to sound like an atheist I would like to say that God is a fantasy whereas country is reality. You don’t live and die for God, but for your country. God sustains you in the cradle of your country. Without your mother, you wouldn’t be there, hence there would be no Allah for you if your mother wasn’t there. I hope you get the logic.//////
Johnty first of all i think u have not done a research on the formation of earth or u even don’t know what the word ”GOD” means
GENERATOR
OPERATOR
DESTROYER
And for your kind information a Man dies for his religion u can take a example of this by the TERRIOST which is the worst example which i have to give for uuuu.
So,
1) ”God is a fantasy” = God is not a Fantasy god is the one who created ADAM than we are born by them. we are brother and sister in relation. if not than clarify me that ”one amoeba is not tranformed to Human being there are several amoeba is by which human is created” than i will understand that all human are not brothers and sisters.. For creating this there is one divine power which is god. I don’t say that Hindu, Christian, Muslim have different gods but they are one we call this power by different names. Proof me one simple example of life leaving earth. (Take help with NASA)
2) ”whereas country is reality” Yeah country is reality i know that it is a place where we live for protecting it we will have to do scarfices or killing. You should know this well that this is just the place.
”Now what i am writing may hurt other but this is only for johnty for him to let his brain work and do a exercise”
Okay now if you think INDIA AS A DEVI than tell me why u do ur daily nature call on it, why u spit on it, why u do bad things infront of ur mother, why u do what u should not do with the land, why u digg big machine inside ur mothers chest or womb (if u think like that). Why don’t u make a Statue of Mother India (devi) and start a new day (which will be added in the most holidays) when this statue will be praised and prayers will be held infront of them.
3) ”Without your mother, you wouldn’t be there, hence there would be no Allah for you if your mother wasn’t there. I hope you get the logic.”
Now here the problem arises. I think by ur name u r a christian atleast a christian must not say that and if u are a hindu than u should not use wrong names to represent urself that means ur are affaraid of something on the net.
Christian know that Mother Marry gave birth to Jesus without human interaction. Now tell me If u say the humans are only who can give birth than how come jesus born (i believe in jesus that he is the messenger of god)? Now let say ur mother and father have not have the ability to give u birth what will they do they will go to temples and many other scared places and if god listein than he will give them a pride to become father and mother isn’t it ? If u don’t believe this try to do a research which i have done at my age of 14 i don’t think u have done ur home work before speaking like this did u ?
At the point if mother gave me birth than ? Than there is no god but ur mother is the god ? Ask ur mother did she gave birth to every living being on the earth ? I asked that question don’t be shy to ask or clear ur doubt. My mother say me we are not the one whom u should praise u should praise ur lord who is with u who protects u who is responsible for what ever happens in ur life (As per Sin and good deeds)
Jonty wrote :
/////Hussain: The Quran is written by mortals like you and me. The Quran teaches you how to live a righteous life and do good for the welfare of your fellow humans and life in general instilling the fear of Allah’s wrath, which I think is very essential. The Quran tells you not to bow before any human, which means don’t allow yourself to be oppressed or suppressed. It doesn’t forbid you to be a patriotic citizen or be proud of your nationality or pay obeisance to your motherland./////
Mother Land okay i believe is a Mother but what u will call american place when suppose u are in america u are a american, or let say u are from different nationality like saudi than what will u say the land where u live. You will sure not call him Mother u will call me Ur land Ur PLACE or as per muslim and hindu OUR place Our nation is Our nation.
If u want to comment than comment in a logical manner.
As u said u get the birth from mother okay than where is the father ?
If suppose india is the Mother than what u will call the other countries ? This issue is still discussed in some other countries.
We are developing our selfs we are the educated persons of our nation who ever will look with a bad eye to our nation we will remove his eye (let it be of any religion)this is our moto.
Now u also said that quran is written by hand
If u don’t know the history don;t comment stop commenting like this. Okay ?
The quaran is given by the angel for Mohammed we respect them he is not a god but just a Messenger even our main verse that is 1st qualma says Mohammed as a Messenger. He is like a hero or like Gautam buddha who shared the information abt religion with us or he showed us the right path.
I think u never read geeta i my self a muslim read geeta with translation u should act like a educated person u should know abt the people who are living with u who are ur neigbour. Even geeta says the many same things as Geeta if u think Mohammed is a flase entity than u indirectly say that geeta verses are wrong why ? than the answer is geeta or a hindu book (Authentic) state abt the tale of Mohammed as the king of arab who will fight wil illegal things.
paying obeisance to your land is other thing and thinking is as a Human being or A image is different. A dog also protect his land. So that means to show is Protectiveness he should sings things abt it place to show the respect ?
”The Quran tells you not to bow before any human which means don’t allow yourself to be oppressed or suppressed.” Did u read the quran if u did than u won’t done this mistake. I man bow down infront of other to show that the man who is standing is great than he is and he is lower than him but the quran say that the God is greatest than every thing human earth anthing. So we only bow down infront of the Main power.
”It doesn’t forbid you to be a patriotic citizen or be proud of your nationality or pay obeisance to your motherland.”
I totally think i should not explain this because it should be copy and paste of what i wrote before...
Johnty Wrote :
/////By the same logic, why should you show any respect to Muhammad himself? He wasn’t Allah himself, so why the countries that still have medieval and barbaric laws in place behead people for blasphemy if anyone says anything against Muhammad?///
Logic don’t talk abt logic u really didn’t get what we 3 said or did u ??
when it is said that
2+2 = 4 in the book of math than why u are taking 2+2=5 which is written by any other human being ? is that write if u think take it .. i don;t have any objection..
I too have many Hindu Friends they are sitting beside me when i am writing this so don’t thing that this is just written by a muslim guy.
As i wrote before mohammed is our hero. Who showed us the write path. So if u think that mohammed is nothing to us than remove this thought. the discuss is abt the petriotism who will define it well the people who sacrificed their life will define it well. Mohammed is like them only. Than if bhagat singh, Ram, Krishna extra issue take place (even bhagat singh is not a god) than why people come on road explain this and u will get the answer ur self.
///why the countries that still have medieval and barbaric laws///
Wahh... Now the issue goes personal why did u said Medieval and barbaric ?
Did u think islamic laws are orthodox type than just give a single example i will really would like to clear ur misconception abt that.
Barbaric hehee lol... I think u might be thinking abt the rules and regulation which are the base of islam (and for which i am writing this) in many islamic countries there is a cruel laws agaisnt crime. Let take a example in some countries the center of the man is cutten off if he rape a girl ? Huh ? this is bad ? i know this type of question arises in ur head but think that girl as ur sister and think that place as india the criminal will only go for 7 year and after that he will be freed what type of brother u are that u will leave that guy which has ruined ur sister life and than is ready for another take .. Think abt the situation and answer me...
Jonty wrote :
/////I would like to say that for many Muslims today, things have come to such a pass that the physical book Quran has taken place of the idols of deities in Hinduism. It is another form of idol worship only. If not the book itself, then the scripts in fancy calligraphy. What I mean to say is that it is manifestation of idol worship only.
////
Lol really i can’t control my laugh coz u have written really a stupidest thing i ever read.....
Let say in india we are having many illetrate people. let say the latest news showed us that illetracy rate in india is 48% (assume that this is an example) will u really call india as a UNEDUCATED nation because of this 48% who don’t have knowledge bcoz of what ever reason. Ever seen a farmer who really is busy in his daily work leaving religion do u blame him for his illeteracy no why bcoz he is doing the most important duty that is to feed her family.
Bcoz of this example u will got to know that bcoz of some or few muslim u can’t just blame the whole religion (community)...
”It is another form of idol worship only” We doesn’t workship quran we worship none but ALLAH THE ONE AND ONLY not need to clarify this by copy paste...
We are totally against with idol workship. Just ask and knowledgeable priest abt who said to create a IDOL of god and listein what he says !
” If not the book itself, then the scripts in fancy calligraphy” Wah really unethical ! the book contains the most great word that a human being can’t even the greatest scholars theory can’t match the verses...
The verses are still having the power of truth even in this developing or modern world. Do a scientific research on Quran and than come to tell me why Quran meets is said to be the word of god and why quran is used for research by many scientist.. The great example is the doctor (i really forgotted the name just do a google search) who learned abt the babies in the womb by quran and than he implemented that thing in science and still his book have the page where he says that ”I got the knowledge of this from the Quran” The doctor was a christian....
”What I mean to say is that it is manifestation of idol worship only. ” I think i clarified this!!!!
This is not to disturb any ones emotion i am terribly sorry if i hurt anyones feeling but please think logically ”THE VANDE MATARAM ISSUE” is just painted by Politician (I am not in favour of any i said ANY politician)
Also people in india say that we listein to the Maullana who is responsible for this outbreak lol a pure muslim will only refer to Mohammed message & The Quran.
Don’t write anything which u really 100% sure of untill u do the research and have the proof just paste here or write here.
Last words : I love my country from bottom of my heart. I love my country man. i Respect My country......
Jai Hind
(Global Perspectives)
And forgot to say one important point i am just the student of commerce just as a normal guy i am not the muslim scholar i am just age of 21. I haven’t gone to any type of muslim institude to get the teching of islam. I just done the reasearch my self i just read the translation i just got the brain which process the correct info...
(Global Perspectives)
Well I do not really see any thing that is wrong with this song. It is a gratitude that we are giving to the soil (soil=source, origin same as in mother)from which we were created. If this soil was not there there would not have been Muslims or Hindus. Our imams that raise the Fatwas should know that Islam is a religion on Peace and we believe that all living things have a right to live.
Can any Imam come out with a Fatwa against the terrorists that blow them selves, killing innocent lives just so that they can go into the arms of 72 virgins? Will the virgins want to be with such persons ? Wake up Islam is a religion of peace and not SEX.
. I think now the Imams have got too carried away and we need liberals. Islam cannot become a religion of killers. Shame on these people who use religion to make themselves more powerful.
islampusing@yahoo.com
Can any Imam come out with a Fatwa against the terrorists that blow them selves, killing innocent lives just so that they can go into the arms of 72 virgins? Will the virgins want to be with such persons ? Wake up Islam is a religion of peace and not SEX.
. I think now the Imams have got too carried away and we need liberals. Islam cannot become a religion of killers. Shame on these people who use religion to make themselves more powerful.
islampusing@yahoo.com
(Local Perspectives)
Wow wow wow Hold on dude what ever u told is out of topic read my post...
(Global Perspectives)
The question of the Topic is
‘Vande Mataram’, is Anything Wrong in It?
So i expressed my view i didn’t even said a single word on fatwa. Fatwa is just a article which is given to the person who needs a guidence about is this thing is wromg or right. It is on us to take it or leave it but we must analyse the situation according to Hadith and quran. A pure muslim will not go for fatwa or any thing he knows his religion well by the books i.e quran.
Sencondly u said and example about terrorist okay let me first tell u the current situation there are 2 situation where we judge terrorist. One is Petriotic and other is Misguided. Today what a 9/11 mumbai blast and many other are a good example or misguidence and killing of innocent people that i am totally against of but take the situation of lebanon and Israel. Do the lebanonize are fully equipped do they have arms ? do u thing that they can figth with the power full country israel which is supported by the USA. Did u see BBC WORLD or islamic news (Al jazeera) (don’t go for normal news i.e aaj tak, sahara etc etc they don’t show exact things. ”censored”)
Suppose u were a Lebanonize and u family is killed by ISraely Militants. U were the only survivour and u do know that u will also going to be killed (or might be not) what would u have done ? In that place i would have tied up the bomb on my body and gone through Israely troops didn’t you ? That’s the Petriotic and Family man spirit.
””””””killing innocent lives just so that they can go into the arms of 72 virgins? Will the virgins want to be with such persons ? ””””
That is right but u did that work in a very bad and hurting language still i will accept it in the case of misguided muslim.
””Wake up Islam is a religion of peace and not SEX. ”””
At least u agree that It is the religion of peace.
Imam — i said that before only abt imam no one in islam is big if u have the knowledge. There is no Higher or lower society concept in islam. For seeking knowledge and clearing ur doubts only people goes to a imam.
””””
islam
islampusing@yahoo.com
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Now what is that don’t u have a name. India is a free country we are indians and we have a right to express don’t fear of anything when u know what is the thruth. Don’t blindly believe news channels if u want to know anything go to that place and u will get the original thruth.
we can’t get the thruth while sitting in home.
”””””
I think now the Imams have got too carried away and we need liberals. Islam cannot become a religion of killers. Shame on these people who use religion to make themselves more powerful.
””””
Hmm from my point of view no body should use religion as a tool to gain power in society. That what politician are doing. Brother i really love india but u should see by ur eyes who is making a change who is divinding us. That time when india was divided people were divided bcoz of british which ruled our country. If we just pull each others leg we will get nothing but unsuccessfull life. This agenda is nothing but a political painted issue. If u really want to know abt the issue kindly read the articles related to it. And also read they main base of islam that is faith on one god if u say that india is the mother than why can’t u say earth is the mother why are u dividing entire world by just naming to one part of the world. Just because it is the part were we are related to doesn’t means that we will insult other part of earth. Earth is our mother. Even a muslim knows that but u can’t say that India is a Devi if u say that than how come u will be haing faith on one god. Mother is different than God. Just put ur emotions aside and think like a professional. If u really want the answer to this issue just think from the point of view of a Muslim.
I love my nation.
And I respect my nation.
Jai hind
‘Vande Mataram’, is Anything Wrong in It?
So i expressed my view i didn’t even said a single word on fatwa. Fatwa is just a article which is given to the person who needs a guidence about is this thing is wromg or right. It is on us to take it or leave it but we must analyse the situation according to Hadith and quran. A pure muslim will not go for fatwa or any thing he knows his religion well by the books i.e quran.
Sencondly u said and example about terrorist okay let me first tell u the current situation there are 2 situation where we judge terrorist. One is Petriotic and other is Misguided. Today what a 9/11 mumbai blast and many other are a good example or misguidence and killing of innocent people that i am totally against of but take the situation of lebanon and Israel. Do the lebanonize are fully equipped do they have arms ? do u thing that they can figth with the power full country israel which is supported by the USA. Did u see BBC WORLD or islamic news (Al jazeera) (don’t go for normal news i.e aaj tak, sahara etc etc they don’t show exact things. ”censored”)
Suppose u were a Lebanonize and u family is killed by ISraely Militants. U were the only survivour and u do know that u will also going to be killed (or might be not) what would u have done ? In that place i would have tied up the bomb on my body and gone through Israely troops didn’t you ? That’s the Petriotic and Family man spirit.
””””””killing innocent lives just so that they can go into the arms of 72 virgins? Will the virgins want to be with such persons ? ””””
That is right but u did that work in a very bad and hurting language still i will accept it in the case of misguided muslim.
””Wake up Islam is a religion of peace and not SEX. ”””
At least u agree that It is the religion of peace.
Imam — i said that before only abt imam no one in islam is big if u have the knowledge. There is no Higher or lower society concept in islam. For seeking knowledge and clearing ur doubts only people goes to a imam.
””””
islam
islampusing@yahoo.com
””””
Now what is that don’t u have a name. India is a free country we are indians and we have a right to express don’t fear of anything when u know what is the thruth. Don’t blindly believe news channels if u want to know anything go to that place and u will get the original thruth.
we can’t get the thruth while sitting in home.
”””””
I think now the Imams have got too carried away and we need liberals. Islam cannot become a religion of killers. Shame on these people who use religion to make themselves more powerful.
””””
Hmm from my point of view no body should use religion as a tool to gain power in society. That what politician are doing. Brother i really love india but u should see by ur eyes who is making a change who is divinding us. That time when india was divided people were divided bcoz of british which ruled our country. If we just pull each others leg we will get nothing but unsuccessfull life. This agenda is nothing but a political painted issue. If u really want to know abt the issue kindly read the articles related to it. And also read they main base of islam that is faith on one god if u say that india is the mother than why can’t u say earth is the mother why are u dividing entire world by just naming to one part of the world. Just because it is the part were we are related to doesn’t means that we will insult other part of earth. Earth is our mother. Even a muslim knows that but u can’t say that India is a Devi if u say that than how come u will be haing faith on one god. Mother is different than God. Just put ur emotions aside and think like a professional. If u really want the answer to this issue just think from the point of view of a Muslim.
I love my nation.
And I respect my nation.
Jai hind
(Global Perspectives)
After knowing the meaning of Vande Mataram, it is not right for any human being to give praise to creature, but ONLY to the Loving Creator God who right deserves human bowing down and worship.
The Bible says : ”I am the LORD, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another, Nor My praise to graven images.(Is 42:8 )
Their idols are silver and gold, The work of man’s hands.
They have mouths, but they cannot speak; They have eyes, but they cannot see;
They have ears, but they cannot hear; They have noses, but they cannot smell;
They have hands, but they cannot feel; They have feet, but they cannot walk; They cannot make a sound with their throat.
Those who make them will become like them, Everyone who trusts in them.
(Ps 115:4 to 8)
Giving glory to any creature or idol or any thing other than God himself is a v.v serious sin in GOD’s eyes.
The good news is though we all are sinners and GOD hates sin and cannot tolerate sin in his presence because HE is very HOLY and PURE, yet God loves us, and wanted to save us from our sins. and save us from going to eternal place of destruction after we die. How we know He loves us? It is because He sent His beloved Son JESUS CHRIST in this sinful world to die for your and my sins, as HE was dying there on that cruel cross he was gladly baring away your’s and my sins.
Bible says ”For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. (John 3:16)
The Bible says ”the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.” no matter how big sinner he may be.
The Bible says ”that if you confess with your mouth Jesus {as} Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;” (Rom 10:9)
AS ALMIGHY SON OF GOD ONLY THE ETERNAL LORD JESUS CHRIST IS WORTHY OF YOUR WORSHIP AND PRAISE
The Bible says : ”I am the LORD, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another, Nor My praise to graven images.(Is 42:8 )
Their idols are silver and gold, The work of man’s hands.
They have mouths, but they cannot speak; They have eyes, but they cannot see;
They have ears, but they cannot hear; They have noses, but they cannot smell;
They have hands, but they cannot feel; They have feet, but they cannot walk; They cannot make a sound with their throat.
Those who make them will become like them, Everyone who trusts in them.
(Ps 115:4 to 8)
Giving glory to any creature or idol or any thing other than God himself is a v.v serious sin in GOD’s eyes.
The good news is though we all are sinners and GOD hates sin and cannot tolerate sin in his presence because HE is very HOLY and PURE, yet God loves us, and wanted to save us from our sins. and save us from going to eternal place of destruction after we die. How we know He loves us? It is because He sent His beloved Son JESUS CHRIST in this sinful world to die for your and my sins, as HE was dying there on that cruel cross he was gladly baring away your’s and my sins.
Bible says ”For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. (John 3:16)
The Bible says ”the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.” no matter how big sinner he may be.
The Bible says ”that if you confess with your mouth Jesus {as} Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;” (Rom 10:9)
AS ALMIGHY SON OF GOD ONLY THE ETERNAL LORD JESUS CHRIST IS WORTHY OF YOUR WORSHIP AND PRAISE
(Local Perspectives)
Bilal...your answers were amazing and very to the point. you;re just 21 and mashallah your knowledge and logic was worth reading. thank u brother for clearing a non-muslim’s doubts. and thank u Jhonty for your views too, cuz if u hadnt written all that crazy stuff, Bilal would never had the chance to answer it. May Allah guide us all. and yes, simple and true, vande mataram does not suit our beliefs as it talks purely about idol worship which is against Islam. our Quran clearly states ”No compulsion in religion” —do u guys know why?? cuz Islam is a secure religion. People with extreme insecurities will only force others to follow their beliefs!
(Global Perspectives)
I think its a very interesting debate,but let me begin by stating that India Daily’s comments requesting our views seem quite one sided in themselves.
I do not believe that God makes mistakes and by honoring India I honor Him. However when I place something including my nationality (which Hegave me in the first place) above Him I dishonor Him.
Because my parents brought me up in the fear of God which is the beginning of wisdom I have refused to give bribes becuase I was taught that this dishonored my country.It was inconvenient and it meant that as a young woman I have often been forced to travel in unreserved compartments. I have never damaged public property and as a social worker hope one day to open a women’s refuge to serve Indian women.
Yet compared to some of my Hindu friends who pay bribes and take them,damage public property,cheat on taxes but bow before an idol of what they call Mother India I will be considered unpatriotic because I refuse to sing a national song that borders on idolatry that I refuse to follow. I am always filled with pride when I sing the national anthem and it is a joy to sing it glorifies my country without troubling my conscience. why should the likes of the BJP steal that from us? Let who ever wants to sing Vande Mataram, happily and freely sing it but give us the freedom not to .I believe that is the true indicater of our spirit of tolerance which is not true of many countries where unfortunately minorities are forced to abstain from food,denied worship places in subjugation to the majority religion.
If my country is ever under threat I am willing to die for this great land so why should my patriotism or that of those like me be doubted just because I refuse to sing one song and not many other songs which praise my country but are not idolatrous.
I do not believe that God makes mistakes and by honoring India I honor Him. However when I place something including my nationality (which Hegave me in the first place) above Him I dishonor Him.
Because my parents brought me up in the fear of God which is the beginning of wisdom I have refused to give bribes becuase I was taught that this dishonored my country.It was inconvenient and it meant that as a young woman I have often been forced to travel in unreserved compartments. I have never damaged public property and as a social worker hope one day to open a women’s refuge to serve Indian women.
Yet compared to some of my Hindu friends who pay bribes and take them,damage public property,cheat on taxes but bow before an idol of what they call Mother India I will be considered unpatriotic because I refuse to sing a national song that borders on idolatry that I refuse to follow. I am always filled with pride when I sing the national anthem and it is a joy to sing it glorifies my country without troubling my conscience. why should the likes of the BJP steal that from us? Let who ever wants to sing Vande Mataram, happily and freely sing it but give us the freedom not to .I believe that is the true indicater of our spirit of tolerance which is not true of many countries where unfortunately minorities are forced to abstain from food,denied worship places in subjugation to the majority religion.
If my country is ever under threat I am willing to die for this great land so why should my patriotism or that of those like me be doubted just because I refuse to sing one song and not many other songs which praise my country but are not idolatrous.
(Global Perspectives)
////Prisilla
Tanveer
Navin
/// Subhanallah! Thanks guys for such a beautifull post your post is like a rose in the garden. Quran says ”Respect others religion”
I am very glad that we have such a great people in india. Our nation is unique from others. It has many Religion. Sharing your happiness with other will increase your laugh. Even at home u can see this example work than why not with our neigbour which are of other religion. I too help my hindu brother in many other work. I never get a feeling or difference by helping them. Even they respect us.
We should always understand each other emotion and should also know abt each other religion so that we will get to know why a issue is arising. This issue shows that really even the muslims don’t have the knowledge to just explain why they can’t sing the Vande mataram.
Just a few words from me : Don’t believe blindly in religion because our dad and mom done so. We are the educated breed. They didn’t got the time, They didn’t got the media to understand about religion. Science is Less developed at that time. I never blame my parent for not giving me the proper knowledge but i blame ’MY SELF’ who is still behind to get full knowledge. We should study about our religion and understand it by the point of science and truth. The truth will be opened infront of you if you try to open it. Search of knowledge on the net. Increase your power to know religion. What is religion ? This question must arise in every educated brain. Ask scholars about your doubts. I did the same. If u have question ask it like no one has asked in that manner. Try to examine ur religion in others religion point of view. Than you will get the answer to the question which are unresolved by u. Use the brain which can do the things which even thousand of computer can’t do.......... Don’t just say i am asthik and nasthik in my personal point of view nasthik is the one who really didn’t done research abt religion concept. By just saying you are nasthik you are running from the essential duty’s which god assigned to you.
God is testing us for the here after.
Still i am telling sorry if i disturbed any ones feeling. Please forgive me if i done so. Allah(god) will show you the right path.
Sorry for bad english
///Remember me in your dua.//
Tanveer
Navin
/// Subhanallah! Thanks guys for such a beautifull post your post is like a rose in the garden. Quran says ”Respect others religion”
I am very glad that we have such a great people in india. Our nation is unique from others. It has many Religion. Sharing your happiness with other will increase your laugh. Even at home u can see this example work than why not with our neigbour which are of other religion. I too help my hindu brother in many other work. I never get a feeling or difference by helping them. Even they respect us.
We should always understand each other emotion and should also know abt each other religion so that we will get to know why a issue is arising. This issue shows that really even the muslims don’t have the knowledge to just explain why they can’t sing the Vande mataram.
Just a few words from me : Don’t believe blindly in religion because our dad and mom done so. We are the educated breed. They didn’t got the time, They didn’t got the media to understand about religion. Science is Less developed at that time. I never blame my parent for not giving me the proper knowledge but i blame ’MY SELF’ who is still behind to get full knowledge. We should study about our religion and understand it by the point of science and truth. The truth will be opened infront of you if you try to open it. Search of knowledge on the net. Increase your power to know religion. What is religion ? This question must arise in every educated brain. Ask scholars about your doubts. I did the same. If u have question ask it like no one has asked in that manner. Try to examine ur religion in others religion point of view. Than you will get the answer to the question which are unresolved by u. Use the brain which can do the things which even thousand of computer can’t do.......... Don’t just say i am asthik and nasthik in my personal point of view nasthik is the one who really didn’t done research abt religion concept. By just saying you are nasthik you are running from the essential duty’s which god assigned to you.
God is testing us for the here after.
Still i am telling sorry if i disturbed any ones feeling. Please forgive me if i done so. Allah(god) will show you the right path.
Sorry for bad english
///Remember me in your dua.//
(Global Perspectives)
Muslims love their parents but do not and will not worship them. same goes for a country. love for a piece of land in which Allah created you and gave you sustenance does not mean you worship the piece of land and start associating partners to the One true God.
The Holy Qur’an 2:136. Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered.
The Holy Qur’an 2:136. Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered.
(Local Perspectives)
I have read most of the comments above.I would like to say that our National song ”Vande Mataram” is not exactly about worshipping a ”Devi”.A land is always feminine in most of the languages and to give respect each person from their respective countries will call their birthland their motherland.So the hindi translation would be devi.If you look up a dictionary Devi means a great lady.She can be in the form of a mother or a woman or anybody but she is always respected.So our motherland is called Devi because we as citizens give respect to our country.According to me nationalism or patriotism should be higher than religion.Whichever god you worship is your very personal matter.Patriotism is important for a person because if you are proud of your religion you should be proud of your country.India is a country of various different religions,castes and creeds.Everyones religion doesnt allow them but their religion hasnt topped them from being patriotic.Its not worshipping a country its just to give respect to your own motherland.Internationally your identity will never be of a hindu,muslim,christian,jew,sikh etc.You will always be known as an ambassodor of your country.You will be known as INDIANS!Its high time we start thinking internationally and stop fighting on such small issues.If muslims who are our really dear friends with no offence can go to Pakistan.If you have no pride for your country and your religion stops you from respecting your motherland Pakistan is the only place where you can live freely with your terms and conditions.I think these differences started in 1947 by some of our important leaders and we after so many years have still not grown out of it.!Its high time.Religion is not the only boundary we need to look ahead.Fine i agree that abiding by religous rules are important but you need to see the other side of things.Allah never said that dont have respect for the country,for the land you live in..!!please my dear muslim friends we are not here to fight over hindu muslim or india or pakistan.We need to broaden our horizons,think higher and be one Indian family with all religions.I have all due and respect for your religous beliefs and we can develop into a better country by co operating a little better.
(Local Perspectives)
sita said :If you have no pride for your country and your religion stops you from respecting your motherland Pakistan is the only place where you can live freely with your terms and conditions.
EXCUSE ME! just who the hell are you to decide who stays in india and who doesnt. this country is not your father’s property and neither did muslims get imported from saudiarabia or afghanistan. our ancestors where at one point of time hindus and Got guidance from God and reverted to islam. we are of this nation and people like you are the scum of this earth. and as i mentioned earlier the problem is not refering to india and a mother. the problem is calling it durga and lakshmi and bowing to it. now if you want to sing vande mataram or mary had a little lamp its your wish .dont go around calling muslims to sing pagan songs and call them ”traitors” for rejecting to do it.
Quran 6:56. Say: ”I am forbidden to worship those - others than Allah - whom ye call upon.” Say: ”I will not follow your wain desires: If I did, I would stray from the path, and be not of the company of those who receive guidance.”
EXCUSE ME! just who the hell are you to decide who stays in india and who doesnt. this country is not your father’s property and neither did muslims get imported from saudiarabia or afghanistan. our ancestors where at one point of time hindus and Got guidance from God and reverted to islam. we are of this nation and people like you are the scum of this earth. and as i mentioned earlier the problem is not refering to india and a mother. the problem is calling it durga and lakshmi and bowing to it. now if you want to sing vande mataram or mary had a little lamp its your wish .dont go around calling muslims to sing pagan songs and call them ”traitors” for rejecting to do it.
Quran 6:56. Say: ”I am forbidden to worship those - others than Allah - whom ye call upon.” Say: ”I will not follow your wain desires: If I did, I would stray from the path, and be not of the company of those who receive guidance.”
(Local Perspectives)
Bilal: It is quite extraordinary that your beliefs as reflected by your language (read logic, sarcasm, prejudice against people like me, and tendency to stereotype people) looks like as if it is highly impressed by the same school of thought where a certain Ali Mohamed was a top scholar and teacher.
It is futile to negotiate or argue with people like you. You will always find ways to outmaneuver intellect with logic taken out of gutter literature written by some of the sickest minds humanity is seeing today.
Adam and Eve are just figments of people’s imagination. There is absolutely no reason why I should believe in such fantastic stories. As far as Jesus being born out of a virgin, I would like to say that those who believe so is the case, they can freely do so. However, I would like say that again, there is nothing in the story to believe the virginity theory. Virginity was a necessary propaganda tool then and Jesus Christ was a political leader just as much as he was a religious figurehead. Similar is the case with the extraordinary stories of Hindu deities or for that matter, deities of any other faith.
Taking fantastic mythological stories as history is reminiscent of your lack of depth in your thought process.
God or Allah or Ishwar are just synonyms of one entity. Again there is no reason why I should take any religious scripture – be it the Quran, Bible or the Vedas as to the ultimate truth on what they say about dharma and God.
I have had enough of this shit for the last 5 yrs now. Feel free to keep your thoughts and beliefs as no matter however hard you may try, people like you will continue to antagonize the sane humankind.
It is futile to negotiate or argue with people like you. You will always find ways to outmaneuver intellect with logic taken out of gutter literature written by some of the sickest minds humanity is seeing today.
Adam and Eve are just figments of people’s imagination. There is absolutely no reason why I should believe in such fantastic stories. As far as Jesus being born out of a virgin, I would like to say that those who believe so is the case, they can freely do so. However, I would like say that again, there is nothing in the story to believe the virginity theory. Virginity was a necessary propaganda tool then and Jesus Christ was a political leader just as much as he was a religious figurehead. Similar is the case with the extraordinary stories of Hindu deities or for that matter, deities of any other faith.
Taking fantastic mythological stories as history is reminiscent of your lack of depth in your thought process.
God or Allah or Ishwar are just synonyms of one entity. Again there is no reason why I should take any religious scripture – be it the Quran, Bible or the Vedas as to the ultimate truth on what they say about dharma and God.
I have had enough of this shit for the last 5 yrs now. Feel free to keep your thoughts and beliefs as no matter however hard you may try, people like you will continue to antagonize the sane humankind.
(Local Perspectives)
The Holy Qur’an 2:6. As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe. 7. Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).
2:2. This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah. 3. Who believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them; 4. And who believe in the Revelation sent to thee, and sent before thy time, and (in their hearts) have the assurance of the Hereafter. 5. They are on (true) guidance, from their Lord, and it is these who will prosper.
2:2. This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah. 3. Who believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them; 4. And who believe in the Revelation sent to thee, and sent before thy time, and (in their hearts) have the assurance of the Hereafter. 5. They are on (true) guidance, from their Lord, and it is these who will prosper.
(Local Perspectives)
Hussain: Again that is what the book says, and again, that is how you have interpreted the verses.
The problem with radical Islam is that the radicals have lost themselves in the semantics of the words. That’s what the major issue the world is facing these days.
The problem with radical Islam is that the radicals have lost themselves in the semantics of the words. That’s what the major issue the world is facing these days.
(Local Perspectives)
Holy Qur’an 2:13. When it is said to them: ”Believe as the others believe:” They say: ”Shall we believe as the fools believe?” Nay, of a surety they are the fools, but they do not know. 15. Allah will throw back their mockery on them, and give them rope in their trespasses; so they will wander like blind ones (To and fro).
11. When it is said to them: ”Make not mischief on the earth,” they say: ”Why, we only Want to make peace!” 12. Of a surety, they are the ones who make mischief, but they realise (it) not.15. Allah will throw back their mockery on them, and give them rope in their trespasses; so they will wander like blind ones (To and fro). 16. These are they who have bartered Guidance for error: But their traffic is profitless, and they have lost true direction...
11. When it is said to them: ”Make not mischief on the earth,” they say: ”Why, we only Want to make peace!” 12. Of a surety, they are the ones who make mischief, but they realise (it) not.15. Allah will throw back their mockery on them, and give them rope in their trespasses; so they will wander like blind ones (To and fro). 16. These are they who have bartered Guidance for error: But their traffic is profitless, and they have lost true direction...
(Local Perspectives)
//sita//
I am sorry if i hurt your feeling but in a small and clear words ”You didn’t get what i mean to say” I stated i love my country but i don’t want to sing that song! Which will hurt me. That’s it! Isn’t it simple to understand.
//Jonty//
As you said !
1st of all you are responsible for that ! Read above posts!
Gutter and other words that shows how clean you are.
You want to run from truth run. Its your life play with it. And abt Ali Mohammed if you really don’t know the truth don’t speak. Just keep your mouth shut on that topic.
I can’t understand one thing if you don’t belive on scriptures why are you believing and want us to believe on this Vandemataram Song which is written by a human being (Really). If you really want to discuss something put your point forward. If you thing we will also become like you or you will become like us than we are wasting time. I am just telling here what a muslim will feel and what he think abt vandemataram. I don’t care what u think i care on what i think and nobody care what you think bcoz your answer are illogical. I gave the example of Adam and eve but you are the one who is born from Amoeba a gutter ugly Worm.......! Sorry to other but this is only to Jonty....With love...
I love my country and i don’t need to prove it to useless peoples.
I am sorry if i hurt your feeling but in a small and clear words ”You didn’t get what i mean to say” I stated i love my country but i don’t want to sing that song! Which will hurt me. That’s it! Isn’t it simple to understand.
//Jonty//
As you said !
1st of all you are responsible for that ! Read above posts!
Gutter and other words that shows how clean you are.
You want to run from truth run. Its your life play with it. And abt Ali Mohammed if you really don’t know the truth don’t speak. Just keep your mouth shut on that topic.
I can’t understand one thing if you don’t belive on scriptures why are you believing and want us to believe on this Vandemataram Song which is written by a human being (Really). If you really want to discuss something put your point forward. If you thing we will also become like you or you will become like us than we are wasting time. I am just telling here what a muslim will feel and what he think abt vandemataram. I don’t care what u think i care on what i think and nobody care what you think bcoz your answer are illogical. I gave the example of Adam and eve but you are the one who is born from Amoeba a gutter ugly Worm.......! Sorry to other but this is only to Jonty....With love...
I love my country and i don’t need to prove it to useless peoples.
(Global Perspectives)
This issue will go on because of religion clashes.
Notice : If you don’t know abt islamic religion and other religions stop here and don’t post further.......
Notice : If you don’t know abt islamic religion and other religions stop here and don’t post further.......
(Global Perspectives)
I think forcing people to sing Vande Mataram is like forcing hindus to recite the Shahadah if they live in a muslim country- which in Arabic many people wont have a problem recutung with but if you know the meaning
” There is no God except Allah/God and Muhammad is his prophet”
As far as I know no one has forced this on any Hindu. Forcing people to blaspheme against their own religion is pretty tyrannical in my book
(Global Perspectives)
Another problem that Hindus may have in understanding our resistance to this is the essential difference in aproach in monotheistic and polytheistic religions.
Culturally Hindus don’t have a problem considering anythign ”sacred” like teachers, classrooms, sports fields, parents, ancestors and of course the motherland. They also believe ”God is in everything”.
In monotheistic religions there is a very clear demarcation between the creator and the creation. God is the creator and is perfect and everything else is the creation and can be good/bad/whatever. God alone is worthy of worship in these systems of belief. Worshipping/prostrating to anything else constitutes heresy and means that you are not a follower of this religion anymore.
I hope this helps HIndus understand why Muslims consider singing Vande Mataram or considering anything other than the one God sacred a rejection of God one of the worst sins they can do in God’s eyes.
In my own opinion loving something doesnt mean you have to worship it. I love my children I don’t worship them. I love my parents I definitely don’t worship them.
Culturally Hindus don’t have a problem considering anythign ”sacred” like teachers, classrooms, sports fields, parents, ancestors and of course the motherland. They also believe ”God is in everything”.
In monotheistic religions there is a very clear demarcation between the creator and the creation. God is the creator and is perfect and everything else is the creation and can be good/bad/whatever. God alone is worthy of worship in these systems of belief. Worshipping/prostrating to anything else constitutes heresy and means that you are not a follower of this religion anymore.
I hope this helps HIndus understand why Muslims consider singing Vande Mataram or considering anything other than the one God sacred a rejection of God one of the worst sins they can do in God’s eyes.
In my own opinion loving something doesnt mean you have to worship it. I love my children I don’t worship them. I love my parents I definitely don’t worship them.
(Global Perspectives)
its to difficult language and difficult region i dont know that how they do their activities but our region is islam it is to much easy only said ”LAILLAHA ILLALA HO MUHMMED UR RASSOL ALLAH” God made human not bahgwan .Bahgwan is only a stone we can see a stone but God is not visible but he is with us every time .He live in our heart our soul.God is light inour language we say ”NOOR” he born HAZRAT MUHAMMED (SAW) if he was not in the world then we r also not in the world We are all the children of HAZART ADAM (R.Z)& MAI HAWA. HAZRAT MUHMMED PREACHED islam .He was the preacher of islam.i dont want to say any more bye
(Global Perspectives)
Dear Fariha, I am very much sure that Islam never says to speak anything bad for other religions and anything bad for the followers of other religions.
Idols of Hindu God and Goddess do symbolise our faith in almighty. As like you put the picture of your Father, mother and other family members near to you. It gives you immense satisfaction although you well know that those are mere pics only. You never can throw the pic of your mother. We love them, no metters they are with us or not.
And please tell your view-point that What is that ”everything” that is wrong in Vande Mataram like other said.
Idols of Hindu God and Goddess do symbolise our faith in almighty. As like you put the picture of your Father, mother and other family members near to you. It gives you immense satisfaction although you well know that those are mere pics only. You never can throw the pic of your mother. We love them, no metters they are with us or not.
And please tell your view-point that What is that ”everything” that is wrong in Vande Mataram like other said.
(Global Perspectives)
Dear Sir/Madam
With regards,
Plz let me know where iswrong with my comments.
Why it is not accepted
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With regards,
Plz let me know where iswrong with my comments.
Why it is not accepted
Thx
ksc687@yahoo.com
(Global Perspectives)
Dear Friends
I am a neutral human activist.I haue donated my life carrier for humanity.Served Muslims non Muslims.Want peace,love ,justice.We can be good whatsoever our religion may be.Practically I haue seen so many Muslims,Non Muslims,non belivers enjage in serving humanity.Wanchoo a Kashmire Pandit my friend sacreficed his life for Muslims.Also so many Muslims sacreficed their lives for non Muslims in Kashmir.Pitty to Indian& Pakistan media such events were not encouraged We should keep in mind that the base of all religions even comminism is to built human being morally.If any human being is agaionist humanity he is not sincere with his/her religion or faith.
Let us discuss the issue of Vande Mataram as human being.Here so many friends haue written comments in favour & againist it.
let me clear that policy makers of any country should be engage to make their countries strong.Any disputed issue can be problem for the unity of that state.If we go through history small issues haue destroyed strong states.If we go through the progress of west & USA they avoid such issues in their countries.But haue delebrately divided people in under development countries.All disputes in poor countries are created by such rouge states.They are taking full advantage of such disputes.As they plan to keep enemity between India Pakistan.Both do suffer because of Kashmir.Poverty,illetracy are main problems in both countries.But in both countries priorty is given to deffence.Victim is poor Indin Pakistane especially Kashmire Muslims & Pandits.Their plan is to keep disturbance within the boundries of poor countries.For implementation of their plans they haue their pupits in both countries.Who insted of launching plans to elemenate poverty, illetracy are do keep their public engaje in issues.So that people will be divided & they can role & enjoy.Issue of Hadood bill .......etc in Pakistan & Vande Mataram ............etc are the practical exercise of such pupits.They know such issues are not fruitfull for country.Country is built by sincerety,honesty,hard work......
Not by passing Hudood bill or by singing Vande Mataram.......
Those who like it let them sing ,Who dont accept it dont compel them.
I am a neutral human activist.I haue donated my life carrier for humanity.Served Muslims non Muslims.Want peace,love ,justice.We can be good whatsoever our religion may be.Practically I haue seen so many Muslims,Non Muslims,non belivers enjage in serving humanity.Wanchoo a Kashmire Pandit my friend sacreficed his life for Muslims.Also so many Muslims sacreficed their lives for non Muslims in Kashmir.Pitty to Indian& Pakistan media such events were not encouraged We should keep in mind that the base of all religions even comminism is to built human being morally.If any human being is agaionist humanity he is not sincere with his/her religion or faith.
Let us discuss the issue of Vande Mataram as human being.Here so many friends haue written comments in favour & againist it.
let me clear that policy makers of any country should be engage to make their countries strong.Any disputed issue can be problem for the unity of that state.If we go through history small issues haue destroyed strong states.If we go through the progress of west & USA they avoid such issues in their countries.But haue delebrately divided people in under development countries.All disputes in poor countries are created by such rouge states.They are taking full advantage of such disputes.As they plan to keep enemity between India Pakistan.Both do suffer because of Kashmir.Poverty,illetracy are main problems in both countries.But in both countries priorty is given to deffence.Victim is poor Indin Pakistane especially Kashmire Muslims & Pandits.Their plan is to keep disturbance within the boundries of poor countries.For implementation of their plans they haue their pupits in both countries.Who insted of launching plans to elemenate poverty, illetracy are do keep their public engaje in issues.So that people will be divided & they can role & enjoy.Issue of Hadood bill .......etc in Pakistan & Vande Mataram ............etc are the practical exercise of such pupits.They know such issues are not fruitfull for country.Country is built by sincerety,honesty,hard work......
Not by passing Hudood bill or by singing Vande Mataram.......
Those who like it let them sing ,Who dont accept it dont compel them.
(Global Perspectives)
..................CONTINUE.................
It is 22th century let the people be free.If any act of any person is againist country,such person deserves punishment.What is going on in big democratic country India,wehere law has been passed that people cant change their religion.National hero & my ideal Ghandi G sacreficed his life for the rights of minorties.Now these minorties are victim of atrostes especially in Gujrat.Culprits are not given punishment.
For the struggle of Kashmir some fanatic elements blame Muslims in India in secular India.But for struggle in assam Hindus were not blammed by Muslims.Situation of Kashmir is much diffirent with India & Pakiastan.Both countries accept the dispute of Kashmir.So those Muslims who dont accept Vande Matram are not traitors but partriots as others.
Let me clear that one can not compromise regarding faith.There is nothing wrong with Vande Matarm but is related to Hindus.As there is nothing with SAREA JEAHA SEA ACHA HINDUSTAN HAMARAsuch non Muslims should never be treated as anti Pakistan.We haue been ruled by west.comminal virus had been injected in our blood,resulting millions Hinus Muslims do suffer before & after partiton. Kashmire Muslims & Pandits do suffer because of this fact.Migrated Muslims Pandits do suffer.Only a clever group of both comminities do enjoy the sacrefices in both sides.
Let me give another example
Launguage is launguage
Let us accept Arabic is puious for Musl;ims
Sanskrit is pious for Hindus
Is there any thing wrong with Hinde that majorty of Muslims dont acceptr it
What is wrong with Urdu it is not accepted by majorty of Hindus
Reason behind this opposition is that Urdu is related with Muslims & Hindi with Hindus.
Though practically if we thick neutrally Urdu & Hindi are only launguages which should be accepted by both communities
As a matter of fact Vande Mataram song had been shown a symbol of anti Muslim activities by Acheara in his Novel,in which achearea writes that after attacks to Muslims fanatic Hindus do song Vandea MAteram
So there is no doubt about this fact that this song has become part of Hindusm.Weather it is or not. But as I gave examples it is related with Hiduism.So majorty of Muslims dont accept it.So we should not check partism of any person because of any song.Muslims are emotional & much more sentemental,so to impose any law which they feel is anti their religion can prove part of problem for country
So we should thick for solution
thx
ksc687@yahoo.com
It is 22th century let the people be free.If any act of any person is againist country,such person deserves punishment.What is going on in big democratic country India,wehere law has been passed that people cant change their religion.National hero & my ideal Ghandi G sacreficed his life for the rights of minorties.Now these minorties are victim of atrostes especially in Gujrat.Culprits are not given punishment.
For the struggle of Kashmir some fanatic elements blame Muslims in India in secular India.But for struggle in assam Hindus were not blammed by Muslims.Situation of Kashmir is much diffirent with India & Pakiastan.Both countries accept the dispute of Kashmir.So those Muslims who dont accept Vande Matram are not traitors but partriots as others.
Let me clear that one can not compromise regarding faith.There is nothing wrong with Vande Matarm but is related to Hindus.As there is nothing with SAREA JEAHA SEA ACHA HINDUSTAN HAMARAsuch non Muslims should never be treated as anti Pakistan.We haue been ruled by west.comminal virus had been injected in our blood,resulting millions Hinus Muslims do suffer before & after partiton. Kashmire Muslims & Pandits do suffer because of this fact.Migrated Muslims Pandits do suffer.Only a clever group of both comminities do enjoy the sacrefices in both sides.
Let me give another example
Launguage is launguage
Let us accept Arabic is puious for Musl;ims
Sanskrit is pious for Hindus
Is there any thing wrong with Hinde that majorty of Muslims dont acceptr it
What is wrong with Urdu it is not accepted by majorty of Hindus
Reason behind this opposition is that Urdu is related with Muslims & Hindi with Hindus.
Though practically if we thick neutrally Urdu & Hindi are only launguages which should be accepted by both communities
As a matter of fact Vande Mataram song had been shown a symbol of anti Muslim activities by Acheara in his Novel,in which achearea writes that after attacks to Muslims fanatic Hindus do song Vandea MAteram
So there is no doubt about this fact that this song has become part of Hindusm.Weather it is or not. But as I gave examples it is related with Hiduism.So majorty of Muslims dont accept it.So we should not check partism of any person because of any song.Muslims are emotional & much more sentemental,so to impose any law which they feel is anti their religion can prove part of problem for country
So we should thick for solution
thx
ksc687@yahoo.com
(Global Perspectives)
Let me give another example
Launguage is launguage
Let us accept Arabic is puious for Musl;ims
Sanskrit is pious for Hindus
Is there any thing wrong with Hinde that majorty of Muslims dont acceptr it
What is wrong with Urdu it is not accepted by majorty of Hindus
Reason behind this opposition is that Urdu is related with Muslims & Hindi with Hindus.
Though practically if we thick neutrally Urdu & Hindi are only launguages which should be accepted by both communities
As a matter of fact Vande Mataram song had been shown a symbol of anti Muslim activities by Acheara in his Novel,in which achearea writes that after attacks to Muslims fanatic Hindus do song Vandea MAteram
So there is no doubt about this fact that this song has become part of Hindusm.Weather it is or not. But as I gave examples it is related with Hiduism.So majorty of Muslims dont accept it.So we should not check partism of any person because of any song.Muslims are emotional & much more sentemental,so to impose any law which they feel is anti their religion can prove part of problem for country
So we should thick for solution
thx
ksc687@yahoo.com
Launguage is launguage
Let us accept Arabic is puious for Musl;ims
Sanskrit is pious for Hindus
Is there any thing wrong with Hinde that majorty of Muslims dont acceptr it
What is wrong with Urdu it is not accepted by majorty of Hindus
Reason behind this opposition is that Urdu is related with Muslims & Hindi with Hindus.
Though practically if we thick neutrally Urdu & Hindi are only launguages which should be accepted by both communities
As a matter of fact Vande Mataram song had been shown a symbol of anti Muslim activities by Acheara in his Novel,in which achearea writes that after attacks to Muslims fanatic Hindus do song Vandea MAteram
So there is no doubt about this fact that this song has become part of Hindusm.Weather it is or not. But as I gave examples it is related with Hiduism.So majorty of Muslims dont accept it.So we should not check partism of any person because of any song.Muslims are emotional & much more sentemental,so to impose any law which they feel is anti their religion can prove part of problem for country
So we should thick for solution
thx
ksc687@yahoo.com
(Global Perspectives)
Dear Friends
I am a neutral human activist.I haue donated my life carrier for humanity.Served Muslims non Muslims.Want peace,love ,justice.We can be good whatsoever our religion may be.Practically I haue seen so many Muslims,Non Muslims,non belivers enjage in serving humanity.Wanchoo a Kashmire Pandit my friend sacreficed his life for Muslims.Also so many Muslims sacreficed their lives for non Muslims in Kashmir.Pitty to Indian& Pakistan media such events were not encouraged We should keep in mind that the base of all religions even comminism is to built human being morally.If any human being is agaionist humanity he is not sincere with his/her religion or faith.
Let us discuss the issue of Vande Mataram as human being.Here so many friends haue written comments in favour & againist it.
let me clear that policy makers of any country should be engage to make their countries strong.Any disputed issue can be problem for the unity of that state.If we go through history small issues haue destroyed strong states.If we go through the progress of west & USA they avoid such issues in their countries.But haue delebrately divided people in under development countries.All disputes in poor countries are created by such rouge states.They are taking full advantage of such disputes.As they plan to keep enemity between India Pakistan.Both do suffer because of Kashmir.Poverty,illetracy are main problems in both countries.But in both countries priorty is given to deffence.Victim is poor Indin Pakistane especially Kashmire Muslims & Pandits.Their plan is to keep disturbance within the boundries of poor countries.For implementation of their plans they haue their pupits in both countries.Who insted of launching plans to elemenate poverty, illetracy are do keep their public engaje in issues.So that people will be divided & they can role & enjoy.Issue of Hadood bill .......etc in Pakistan & Vande Mataram ............etc are the practical exercise of such pupits.They know such issues are not fruitfull for country.Country is built by sincerety,honesty,hard work......
Not by passing Hudood bill or by singing Vande Mataram.......
Those who like it let them sing ,Who dont accept it dont compel them.
kashmir study circle
ksc687@yahoo.com
I am a neutral human activist.I haue donated my life carrier for humanity.Served Muslims non Muslims.Want peace,love ,justice.We can be good whatsoever our religion may be.Practically I haue seen so many Muslims,Non Muslims,non belivers enjage in serving humanity.Wanchoo a Kashmire Pandit my friend sacreficed his life for Muslims.Also so many Muslims sacreficed their lives for non Muslims in Kashmir.Pitty to Indian& Pakistan media such events were not encouraged We should keep in mind that the base of all religions even comminism is to built human being morally.If any human being is agaionist humanity he is not sincere with his/her religion or faith.
Let us discuss the issue of Vande Mataram as human being.Here so many friends haue written comments in favour & againist it.
let me clear that policy makers of any country should be engage to make their countries strong.Any disputed issue can be problem for the unity of that state.If we go through history small issues haue destroyed strong states.If we go through the progress of west & USA they avoid such issues in their countries.But haue delebrately divided people in under development countries.All disputes in poor countries are created by such rouge states.They are taking full advantage of such disputes.As they plan to keep enemity between India Pakistan.Both do suffer because of Kashmir.Poverty,illetracy are main problems in both countries.But in both countries priorty is given to deffence.Victim is poor Indin Pakistane especially Kashmire Muslims & Pandits.Their plan is to keep disturbance within the boundries of poor countries.For implementation of their plans they haue their pupits in both countries.Who insted of launching plans to elemenate poverty, illetracy are do keep their public engaje in issues.So that people will be divided & they can role & enjoy.Issue of Hadood bill .......etc in Pakistan & Vande Mataram ............etc are the practical exercise of such pupits.They know such issues are not fruitfull for country.Country is built by sincerety,honesty,hard work......
Not by passing Hudood bill or by singing Vande Mataram.......
Those who like it let them sing ,Who dont accept it dont compel them.
kashmir study circle
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(Global Perspectives)
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It is 22th century let the people be free.If any act of any person is againist country,such person deserves punishment.What is going on in big democratic country India,wehere law has been passed that people cant change their religion.National hero & my ideal Ghandi G sacreficed his life for the rights of minorties.Now these minorties are victim of atrostes especially in Gujrat.Culprits are not given punishment.
For the struggle of Kashmir some fanatic elements blame Muslims in India in secular India.But for struggle in assam Hindus were not blammed by Muslims.Situation of Kashmir is much diffirent with India & Pakiastan.Both countries accept the dispute of Kashmir.So those Muslims who dont accept Vande Matram are not traitors but partriots as others.
Let me clear that one can not compromise regarding faith.There is nothing wrong with Vande Matarm but is related to Hindus.As there is nothing with SAREA JEAHA SEA ACHA HINDUSTAN HAMARAsuch Non Muslims in Pakistan should never be treated as anti Pakistan.if they refuse to sing such songs which isagainist their religious belief We haue been ruled by west.comminal virus had been injected in our blood,resulting millions Hinus Muslims do suffer before & after partiton. Kashmire Muslims & Pandits do suffer because of this fact.Migrated Muslims Pandits do suffer.Only a clever group of both comminities do enjoy the sacrefices in both sides.
Let me give another example
Launguage is launguage
Let us accept Arabic is puious for Musl;ims
Sanskrit is pious for Hindus
Is there any thing wrong with Hinde that majorty of Muslims dont acceptr it
What is wrong with Urdu it is not accepted by majorty of Hindus
Reason behind this opposition is that Urdu is related with Muslims & Hindi with Hindus.
Though practically if we thick neutrally Urdu & Hindi are only launguages which should be accepted by both communities
As a matter of fact Vande Mataram song had been shown a symbol of anti Muslim activities by Acheara in his Novel,in which achearea writes that after attacks to Muslims fanatic Hindus do song Vandea MAteram
So there is no doubt about this fact that this song has become part of Hindusm.Weather it is or not. But as I gave examples it is related with Hiduism.So majorty of Muslims dont accept it.So we should not check partism of any person because of any song.Muslims are emotional & much more sentemental,so to impose any law which they feel is anti their religion can prove part of problem for country
So we should thick for solution
thx
ksc687@yahoo.com
kashmir study circle
It is 22th century let the people be free.If any act of any person is againist country,such person deserves punishment.What is going on in big democratic country India,wehere law has been passed that people cant change their religion.National hero & my ideal Ghandi G sacreficed his life for the rights of minorties.Now these minorties are victim of atrostes especially in Gujrat.Culprits are not given punishment.
For the struggle of Kashmir some fanatic elements blame Muslims in India in secular India.But for struggle in assam Hindus were not blammed by Muslims.Situation of Kashmir is much diffirent with India & Pakiastan.Both countries accept the dispute of Kashmir.So those Muslims who dont accept Vande Matram are not traitors but partriots as others.
Let me clear that one can not compromise regarding faith.There is nothing wrong with Vande Matarm but is related to Hindus.As there is nothing with SAREA JEAHA SEA ACHA HINDUSTAN HAMARAsuch Non Muslims in Pakistan should never be treated as anti Pakistan.if they refuse to sing such songs which isagainist their religious belief We haue been ruled by west.comminal virus had been injected in our blood,resulting millions Hinus Muslims do suffer before & after partiton. Kashmire Muslims & Pandits do suffer because of this fact.Migrated Muslims Pandits do suffer.Only a clever group of both comminities do enjoy the sacrefices in both sides.
Let me give another example
Launguage is launguage
Let us accept Arabic is puious for Musl;ims
Sanskrit is pious for Hindus
Is there any thing wrong with Hinde that majorty of Muslims dont acceptr it
What is wrong with Urdu it is not accepted by majorty of Hindus
Reason behind this opposition is that Urdu is related with Muslims & Hindi with Hindus.
Though practically if we thick neutrally Urdu & Hindi are only launguages which should be accepted by both communities
As a matter of fact Vande Mataram song had been shown a symbol of anti Muslim activities by Acheara in his Novel,in which achearea writes that after attacks to Muslims fanatic Hindus do song Vandea MAteram
So there is no doubt about this fact that this song has become part of Hindusm.Weather it is or not. But as I gave examples it is related with Hiduism.So majorty of Muslims dont accept it.So we should not check partism of any person because of any song.Muslims are emotional & much more sentemental,so to impose any law which they feel is anti their religion can prove part of problem for country
So we should thick for solution
thx
ksc687@yahoo.com
kashmir study circle
(Global Perspectives)
Let me give another example
Launguage is launguage
Let us accept Arabic is puious for Musl;ims
Sanskrit is pious for Hindus
Is there any thing wrong with Hinde that majorty of Muslims dont acceptr it
What is wrong with Urdu it is not accepted by majorty of Hindus
Reason behind this opposition is that Urdu is related with Muslims & Hindi with Hindus.
Though practically if we thick neutrally Urdu & Hindi are only launguages which should be accepted by both communities
As a matter of fact Vande Mataram song had been shown a symbol of anti Muslim activities by Acheara in his Novel,in which achearea writes that after attacks to Muslims fanatic Hindus do song Vandea MAteram
So there is no doubt about this fact that this song has become part of Hindusm.Weather it is or not. But as I gave examples it is related with Hiduism.So majorty of Muslims dont accept it.So we should not check partism of any person because of any song.Muslims are emotional & much more sentemental,so to impose any law which they feel is anti their religion can prove part of problem for country
So we should thick for solution
thx
ksc687@yahoo.com
kashmir study circle
Launguage is launguage
Let us accept Arabic is puious for Musl;ims
Sanskrit is pious for Hindus
Is there any thing wrong with Hinde that majorty of Muslims dont acceptr it
What is wrong with Urdu it is not accepted by majorty of Hindus
Reason behind this opposition is that Urdu is related with Muslims & Hindi with Hindus.
Though practically if we thick neutrally Urdu & Hindi are only launguages which should be accepted by both communities
As a matter of fact Vande Mataram song had been shown a symbol of anti Muslim activities by Acheara in his Novel,in which achearea writes that after attacks to Muslims fanatic Hindus do song Vandea MAteram
So there is no doubt about this fact that this song has become part of Hindusm.Weather it is or not. But as I gave examples it is related with Hiduism.So majorty of Muslims dont accept it.So we should not check partism of any person because of any song.Muslims are emotional & much more sentemental,so to impose any law which they feel is anti their religion can prove part of problem for country
So we should thick for solution
thx
ksc687@yahoo.com
kashmir study circle
(Global Perspectives)
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